Today we’ll be test talking with Angie Jones about why we need more women and minorities in tech, as well as automation with Java. Angie is a consulting automation engineer at LexisNexis and an inventor with more than 20 patented inventions. On top of all that, she has been featured in Ebony magazine as one of the country's top young leaders under the age of 30, you definitely don’t want to miss this show.
About Angie Jones
Angie Jones is a Consulting Automation Engineer at LexisNexis who advises several scrum teams on QA Automation strategies and best practices and has developed automation frameworks for countless software products. As a Master Inventor, she is known for her innovative and out-of-the-box thinking style which has resulted in more than 20 patented inventions in the US and China. Angie is also an Adjunct Instructor of Computer Programming at Durham Technical Community College, and is a strong advocate for diversity in Technology. She volunteers with organizations who champion this cause such as TechGirlz and Black Girls Code.
Quotes & Insights from this Test Talk
- A lot of companies are currently saying that they are looking to more diverse and recruit more diversity in their workforce but it's really frustrating because you don't see those numbers increasing at like the top companies actually in Silicon Valley. There was recently a lot of flack given to Facebook because their report came out, third year in a row, after they have committed to increasing diversity and yet the numbers are staying the same. My advice as a woman of color on how to go about solving that is to go where the talent is. I don't see the companies engaging much with historically black universities or universities that serve Hispanics or other minorities. I don't see their presence there. This is where your talent is going to be. This is where the students are being trained to become computer scientists and engineers so that's a start right there, just recruiting and going where the talent is.
- There's a lot of organizations that are focused on training girls and women and people who are minorities and training them to get into technology. These are other resources that these companies can work with. For example, I work with Tech Girls which is an organization which caters to middle school girls in trying to get them interested in technology and is a direct answer to what happened and what occurred in the 80s when there was a drop and how it kind of painted a picture of it being a boys club. This is our response to that and letting girls know that there are cool and innovative things that they can do with technology as well. We find that's where we're losing them, about the middle school age.
- Me, as a black woman, when I go and interview at a company, I'm looking at the panel of people that the company has put in place to interview me. That has a very profound impact on whether I'm going to accept that job or not. If it's a panel of a bunch of white guys who all look the same and think the same, then, more than likely, I'm not going to want to work there. I'm not going to accept an offer if one is extended to me. I'm making sure that there are women who work here, women that are valued enough that you are sending them to interview potential employees. That there are people of color here.
- I feel like, as women and as minorities, we are all about talking about it. We almost have a pass to do so. Yeah, sometimes I want to engage in these conversations with the white males that I work with but it's clear, if I bring it up, that they're uncomfortable so I kind of just let it go. I think if you come from a place of honesty, it's okay to talk about this. This is the reality. This is life. It's okay to talk about our differences and our world views and our perceptions. That's fine.
- My background and my life is much different than that of a white male so I'm going to bring a unique perspective. I'm going to bring a unique solution to the problem. I'm going to bring something that's appealing to other women and to other minorities. That's why it's so valuable. Until companies realize that and see the value, that's what I try to bring as a black woman in technology, making sure that I'm contributing value so that they see this and know, hey, we need more like her.
- I guess my one piece of advice, it's probably the most important piece, is to just acknowledge them. Acknowledge their presence. Acknowledge their contributions. Value them. Let them know that you want them to be there, you need them to be there. It's not just a diversity check mark that you're trying to get but you value what they bring to the table as a person, as a technologist. We really just want to be treated like everyone else and not ignored or be thought of as you're lowering the bar to bring us in. Just treat us like a technologist.
- When women stopped coding (NPR Podcast Episode)
- Software engineer Angie Jones talks technology, Black culture, and Diva Chix
- Black Girls Code
- Java For Testers – Alan Richardson Book
Connect with Angie Jones
- Twitter: techgirl1908
- Blog: angiejones.tech
- LinkedIn: angiejones
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I am a black female Quality Analyst listening to your podcast.
I perform manual and automated software testing for mainframe and client server platforms. I listen to your podcast regularly and I appreciate the information you offer and I appreciate the different perspectives you offer through your interviews.
Your podcast benefits Quality Analysts and Developers alike.
Thank you very much for the interview with Angie Jones!
I “fell” into software testing via software training. What that really means is during training sessions the students would find bugs and I would recreate the problem and call Development for the fix!
I also believed that Software Testing was beneath Development but after working in this field for almost 10 years I realized that our role is vital and most Developers appreciate you finding major bugs — PRIOR to GA! (Your welcome)
Angie speaks the truth. I question the validity of managements “scouting” for minorities (specifically African Americans) in the IT field in general. I have hope for the future by doing some scouting myself and referring candidates via our employee referral program.
You both agreed that lots of online training for Java is available (I will be purchasing Java for Testers) but you stopped short of providing some suggestions of some recommended online training for Software Testers to learn Java. Could you recommend some? Did I miss that episode?
Thank you for doing what you do. I will be connecting with Angie.
Test Talks, Podcast Listener
Thanks Carla – glad you liked the episode! It was awesome to get to interview Angie and she really got me thinking about my own companies hiring process. The best video training that I’ve taken on Java and testing is once again from Alan Richardson who has a course on Udemy https://compendiumdev.zenler.com/courses/selenium-2-webdriver-basics-with-java Keep in touch – Cheers~Joe