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Automation Guild '24
TestGuild's 8th Annual LIVE Online Event Dedicated To Helping You Achieve More Reliable & Less Flaky Automation...And Succeed With All Your E2E Automation Testing Efforts
Going LIVE: Feb 5th - Feb 9th, 2024!
Training + LIVE Q&A Sessions - Covering The Latest & Most Relevant Topics
World's Top E2E Automation Experts - Get Lifetime Access To Real-World Advice
Interact, Get Feedback, And Network With 2600+ Software Professionals
TRUSTED BY TESTERS, DEVELOPERS, QAs, AUTOMATION ENGRS., & TEAM MANAGERS FROM:
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Not to be missed.
You are guaranteed to pick up a tip, trick or learn something new about test automation.
William Stasyna
Sr. QA Automation Specialist
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The breadth of talent, skills, and experience Joe brings together is truly awesome. The value you get will shape the quality landscape of your organization.
Andrew Clark
Lead SDET
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Although early in my automation career, Automation Guild provided me a plethora of information, resources, and education that was well worth the price of admission.
Mike Clark
QA Engineering Manager
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Automation Guild 2024: Sessions & Speakers
Note: Each training session (except roundtable/panel discussions) will be followed by a dedicated Q&A session with the expert speaker.
If you can't attend LIVE, submit your questions to me in advance and I'll ask the speaker on your behalf. If you can attend LIVE, you can always ask the expert exactly what you want to know around their topic.
SDET ARchitect
Sachin Gaikwad
Day & TIME: TBD
QA Manager & Lead Automation Engineer
Artem Bondar
DAY & TIME: TBD
Arlene Andrews
DAY & TIME: TBD
Introducing the new SDET (and those that have this path open) into the
requirements, tools, areas, and the fun you may find on this path.
Karime Salomon
DAY & TIME: TBD
This presentation will discuss real-world cases where load testing was missed, and how to avoid these mistakes, covering also the first steps and considerations for getting started with load testing, and how to analyze and interpret the results.
Marjorie Ivy
DAY & TIME: TBD
QA testers can get started with test automation through approachable languages like Python even without programming experience.
Many QA pros lack coding skills to transition to test automation.
In this session, you will learn:
• Basics of Python syntax and setup
• Writing simple test scripts
• Locating and using existing test frameworks
• Best resources for self-directed learning
Senior Quality Assurance Engineer
Somya Gupta
DAY & TIME: TBD
Conversational AI is becoming the integral part of how people interact with technology today.
However Conversational AI chatbots requires innovative strategies for testing to ensure a reliable & user-friendly experience.
Hence the basic knowledge of Chatbot and Conversational AI will help attendees keep up the pace and their skillset as per changing business.
This session will also explore the latest trends and technologies in Conversational AI as well as best practices to test chatbots.
Amit Rawat
DAY & TIME: TBD
There is no easy way to have a controlled simulated test environments with isolated states, unique data and simulated failures, which is
essential to have robust test automation.
We will see how to achieve it using static and dynamic mocking strategies using Wiremock.
Senior Manager
Geetha Achutuni
DAY & TIME: TBD
This session aims to provide actionable strategies to overcome ineffectiveness and inefficiencies and improve test coverage in test automation practices.
Folks can learn and implement:
• Ways to improve test coverage
• Ways to improve test effectiveness
• Ways to improve test efficiency
• Ways to reduce test scripts maintainability
Open source developer & SRE turned founder
Hassy Veldstra
DAY & TIME: TBD
Take your Playwright scripts and skills further and learn how to use Playwright for load testing and e2e monitoring (also known as synthetic monitoring) to help you make your apps more reliable in production.
Chief Quality Officer
Lee Barnes
DAY & TIME: TBD
This session will help test automation engineers go beyond the technical aspects of test automation and ensure they add value to their organization.
Dmytro Budym
DAY & TIME: TBD
Clean code in test automation is the foundation for building reliable, maintainable, and efficient test suites, ultimately accelerating software delivery and improving collaboration among team members.
test automation mentor
Greg Paskal
DAY & TIME: TBD
Transitioning from a J.O.B. mindset to an S.M.E mindset.
• How to stand out in your company and technical community as someone worth listening to.
• Why we need Quality Craftsmen in Testing and Automation.
• Basic skills that can lead to more influence and a bigger salary.
Site Reliability Engineer
Evan Niedojadlo
DAY & TIME: TBD
Lots of teams just run automated e2e tests, unit, and maybe some performance automation.
This talk is intended to show testers, devs, etc. on how they can easily add various infosec scans, attacks, and alerts to their existing processes.
Rahul Parwal
DAY & TIME: TBD
Team Leader
Pricilla Bilavendran
DAY & TIME: TBD
Senior Manager Developer Relations and Community
Dave Piacente
DAY & TIME: TBD
There are a common set of techniques that seasoned test automation practitioners know to be the pillars of any successful automated testing practice that can be fit into most (if not all) team contexts.
But some things have either been left out, or are described in ways that are disadvantageous for the industry simply because we don't talk about it from the perspective of the fundamentals used to craft them.
By reasoning from first principles, we will be able to unearth a more impactful definition of test automation that can act as a compass and help supercharge everyone's test automation practice - while also understanding how to navigate the uncharted waters of new technologies that challenge existing paradigms.
Chief Product & Strategy
Guljeet Nagpaul
DAY & TIME: TBD
Product Leader
Fernando Mattos
DAY & TIME: TBD
Head of Product Engineering
Jonathon Wright
DAY & TIME: TBD
Explore the exciting possibilities of Generative AI in business process automation, a once-daunting concept now made accessible by OpenAI / ChatGPT and other AI/ML technologies.
Join Jonathan as he discusses practical applications of Generative AI in Software Delivery, no AI expertise required.
Don't miss out on implementing these valuable practices and being part of the future of software development.
Jon Robinson
DAY & TIME: TBD
Are you looking to elevate your software testing game and harness the power of automation?
Join our immersive 90-minute workshop to embark on a comprehensive journey toward more efficient, reliable, and streamlined testing processes.
In today's blink-and-you-miss-it pace of software development, automation testing has become a critical component for delivering high-quality software at speed.
However, achieving success with automation requires more than just choosing the right tools or writing scripts.
It demands a well-rounded automation strategy, thorough understanding of fundamental concepts, and the ability to adapt and scale as your project evolves (which it will).
Head of Software Testing
Daniel Knott
DAY & TIME: TBD
In this talk, Daniel is showing you hands-on how to create your own mobile device cloud using GADS(https://github.com/shamanec/GADS).
With the help of GADS you are able to remote control all of your mobile devices, including iOS and Android, in your team, office or company.
Once GADS is up and running, you can execute your Appium tests from the web interface on the connected devices.
GADS offers great opportunities for small mobile development teams, to fasten their development, testing and go-to market time.
Key Takeaways:
> How to install and setup GADS
> How to remote control your mobile devices
> How to use it together with Appium for mobile test automation
Chief Excecutive Officer
Igor Dorovskikh
Sr. Software Dev. Engineer in Test
Anton Prokuda
DAY & TIME: TBD
DIRECTOR OF QA
Giannis Papadakis
Dionysis Tsoumas
DAY & TIME: TBD
In this talk, Dionysis & Giannis will share their own team's experiences.
Functional testing is not something that can inform in a timely manner for the uptime of our applications.
So there was a gap in our efforts related to observability and testing.
The DevOps team was passionate about their Grafana dashboards, and the QA team was occupied with their K6 performance suite.
We decided to collaborate and embark on a pet project that would enable us to achieve synthetic monitoring. leveraging K6 and Grafana LGTM stack.
CHIEF QUALITY OFFICER
Lee Barnes
TBD
DAY & TIME: TBD
Join us for a discussion with industry leaders on trends, technologies, and processes, in continuous automated and performance testing in DevOps.
This is a chance to deep-dive into some of the trends for transitioning or implementing continuous testing as part of software delivery, as well as exchange views on overcoming common obstacles in the field.
The panelists will share their unique approaches and many real-world experiences. These include some of the challenges their teams have had to face and the strategies that have led them to success.
TBD
TBD
DAY & TIME: TBD
As a testing team scales their testing strategy all the way up to the enterprise level for their organization, any number of bumps in the road can occur. It is perfectly normal that, as testing efforts expand, the growing testing “surface area” can become pockmarked with challenges.
Luckily, these challenges are quite common and can be efficiently addressed if properly equipped.
In this session, a panel of experts will give you the lay of the enterprise testing land and walk you through how to confront common issues with:
• API end-to-end testing periods
• Test data
• Web & mobile interfaces
• Multi-system coordinated testing periods
• And more!
Conducting enterprise-level testing is no small feat. This panel discussion will help you be prepared to face common challenges that inevitably arise so you can quickly get back to what matters most — ensuring a high-quality app!
Meet Your Host
Joe Colantonio
Founder of TestGuild & Guild conferences
Hi. I’m Joe Colantonio, founder of TestGuild - a dedicated resource of actionable & real-world technical advice (Blog, Video Tutorials, Podcasts, and Online Guild Conferences) to help improve your automation, performance, and security testing efforts.
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Here's What Attendees Say About Automation Guild
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A must-attend event for all testing professionals.
You get all the best practices and innovative techniques in a concise manner.
George Ukkuru
Head of Quality Eng. UST
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Thank you so much for creating the Automation Guild. I’m happy to have found a place that exists on the topic of test automation that doesn’t rely on test tools sites/blogs etc. Awesomeness!
Jaime Lizarazu
Senior Manager - Test Automation
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4th year attending the Automation Guild conference and its value and content keeps getting better. Huge thanks to Joe for putting on such a great event.
Stuart Noble
Test Manager
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I enjoyed the Automation Guild, made a stack of notes, then implemented nearly code-less automation in just 90 days!
Nick Baynham
Automation Architect
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I've enjoyed attending these conferences since the beginning. It's very informative. I learn about industries I haven't worked in yet, new tools, and I get to connect with others. Together, we have a wealth of knowledge! It's great to be able to share ideas. And I always look forward to using what I learned.
Annette S.
Test Automation Architect
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The community is just amazing!
The conversations and interactions with both participants and other speakers are stellar!
Being an online conference, it still manages to feel "closer" than many in-person dittos.
Simon Aronasson
Head of Developer Relations
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As always, an awesome event! A superabundance of testing goodness.
Even before the conference had ended, the team was already chasing new ideas, refining existing practices and getting colleagues excited about new possibilities.
Validation of current practices and plans is always a tremendous win and Automation Guild weighs in massively in this regard.
Our plans are solid and aligned with those of our peers around the globe; the future is bright indeed!
What could be more awesome than that?
Mike Taber
Test Architect
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I gained critical insights into the tools and techniques that industry practitioners use, the strategies that businesses consider when building an automation strategy, and the industry's latest automation trends.
I didn't expect an e-conference to be so well organized...and how welcoming the community that Joe and Team have built was. You also retain access to all conference materials even after the event.
Perhaps even more valuable is the opportunity to be part of an inclusive and supportive community of knowledgeable folks that you can tap into as a resource as you develop your career. Automation Guild sets the bar high!
Felix Lee
Test Lead
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I joined the Automation Guild conference 4 times already. I always enjoy it.
You meet a lot of people who work in the same fields with you or related. And they give so many thoughts and brilliant ideas.
I feel very happy this time each year.
And I'm always looking forward to see what we will have next year ;)
Michelle Xie
Automation Tester
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Thanks a lot Joe (great presenter and well organized host) and all the other presenters for this great conference (Automation Guild 2022).
This was my first conference...and it was really an eye opener for anyone who wants to start/switch/enhance their career in automation testing.
I would say it's a "single knowledge hub for all testing needs".
Also, the best part is getting lifetime access to the private Slack channel where we can good knowledge sharing - throughout the year.
Bhumesh Ruchandani
Principal Member Of Technical Staff
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I have worked in Software Test Automation for many years.
But Joe and his conferences always give me new information and skills to keep me marketable.
And Joe's conferences continue to inspire me and renew my Test Automation love and spirit! -Forever appreciated!
I have attended Joe's conferences since the first one.
Thank you.
Renee Simpson
Software Test Automation Expert
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It was my first Automation Guild and it was spot on. The right balance of technical and non technical talks, all interesting and with great presenters.
It is this kind of conference that pokes my brain and triggers new ideas for the day to day activities that I really enjoy.
More than just great talks, the attendees (the guild) are aligned in helping each other by sharing ideas or building on what was just heard and learning new things, the interaction is really something that takes this conference to another level.
To repeat, I can say I'm an official member of the guild now!
Cristiano Cunha
Solution Architect & Testing Advocate
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But rest assured, if you're not satisfied for any reason at all...or don't see real-world results from Automation Guild 2024...
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Reserve Your Early Bird Ticket For Automation Guild '24 Now!
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3 Days of Functional + 2 Days of Non-Functional Automation Awesomeness!
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Here's Some More Attendee Feedback About Automation Guild
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Automation Guild brings us a lot of news in testing and test automation field every year.
It is more than a conference; it is a community where you can motivate yourself.
As a long-term follower I really appreciate Joe’s work for the community and test automation topic. Cheers!
Maros Dzuris
Sr. Test Automation Engineer
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A fantastic event! Better than any conference I've been to.
What a great way to stay up to date on tech related to all things automation awesomeness!
I got so many things to take back and implement :)
Jesse Gregory
QA Automation Engineer
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Automation Guild 2022 was awesome! I learned a lot and there were many takeaways to implement in practice.
I loved the Q&As (the quality of the questions was very high)...and also the fact that I get lifetime access to all the video sessions because it was lot of info. Many sessions are worth rewatching.
Mark Cole
Application Software Tester
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Automation Guild was an amazing experience for me. It was a wealth of knowledge being shared. Everyone was supportive.
I definitely learned a lot and it showed me a wide range of techniques that can be applied to make testing better.
One of THE best conferences I have attended. From the content to the community interaction - AMAZING!
Julia Pottinger
Training & Development Manager
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Automation Guild is timely, practical, and community led.
Unlike in other conferences, the talks favor demos and techniques over abstract philosophies and marketing.
I would highly recommend Automation Guild as a great way to learn new things and network with other testing professionals.
Nicole Van Der Hoeven
Developer Advocate (Perf. Testing)
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I've been doing testing automation for 21 years and I really enjoyed the Automation Guild.
I really like that I got back into latest industry trends. The conference was really well organized and there was a wide variety of applicable topics.
I'm also really enjoying the Slack community and the ability to communicate with test automation experts from all around the world, year-round.
Overall, I found that Automation Guild was really great and I have a lot of ideas that I can apply to my work.
Michelle Pleas
Principal Test Engineer
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You think you know everything, and then you find our you really do know just a small part of the equation.
Having testers in the Slack channel giving ideas and pointers has helped me immensely in expanding my range of knowledge and acceptance of tools that can make the wheels turn even better.
Charlie Harris
Senior Quality Assurance Manager
Frequently Asked Questions
Automation Guild is an industry-standard annual online event I’ve organized since 2017.
In fact, AG 2017 was one of the first-ever online events in the world dedicated 100% to automation testing.
My goal?
To create a community-driven event made for the testers...by the testers -- laser focused to help them achieve less flaky automation and fast-track their career growth.
That’s why for each event, I invite some of the most highly qualified and experienced automation experts in the world…
...and give them a platform to share key functional (and non-functional) insights required to build better software - faster.
Plus, share all the latest tips, best practices, useful tools, effective strategies, and actionable techniques from their real-world experience.
By implementing real-world expert advice that will be shared by the experts at Automation Guild '24, you can expect to:
✓ Achieve faster, better, and reliable automation
✓ Save time wasted on flaky tests
✓ Avoid little-known and time-consuming mistakes
✓ Shorten your learning curve
✓ Upgrade (and widen) your skillset
✓ Open up more (and better) career opportunities
✓ Fast-track your career growth
All LIVE sessions usually take place from 10 AM to 6 PM Eastern Time Zone.
The exact day-wise and time slot for each session is being finalized and will be updated soon.
If you can’t make it LIVE, no worries.
Because with your ticket, you’ll also get Lifetime Access to:
⇨ Every over-the-shoulder video training session
⇨ The Q&A video with the speaker after their session
⇨ Roundtable “ask experts anything” session
⇨ Complete LIVE chat transcripts
⇨ Session transcripts
⇨ Any PDF resources shared by the speakers
⇨ Bonus: Automation Guild Slack community of 2600+ testers - where you can ask questions, get feedback, find solutions, and network with them - throughout the year.
In fact, if you can not attend the LIVE Q&As - you can submit your questions to me ahead of time and I will ask the speaker LIVE.
After the conference is over I will edit all the LIVE Q&A and place each speakers individual Q&A session under their speaker’s page so you will be able to view their session and Q&A from the same location.
Yes, absolutely.
Here’s what you need to do:
Step #1: Just proceed with registration using your preferred payment mode.
Step #2: After that, email me at [email protected] with the details you require on your custom invoice.
That’s it. Shortly after, I’ll send your custom invoice so you can claim your reimbursement.
If you’re only interested in topics related to functional automation, the 3-Day event is right for you.
However, if you’d like to expand your knowledge on other critical automation topics (non-functional automation) such as:
• Performance testing
• Security testing
• DevOps
• CI/CD
• Chaos engineering
• Accessibility testing, etc.
Then you should most certainly opt for the best value option: The Complete 5-Day E2E Event.
I’m 100% confident that you’ll pick tons of actionable tips that you can implement right away with your current automation solution.
And I know the sessions from Automation Guild '24 will help you achieve faster, better, dependable, and less flaky automation in 2024 (and beyond).
I’m also sure that you’ll love our helpful Automation Guild community of 2600+ testers and automation experts - for networking, finding quick solutions, getting feedback & new ideas.
In fact, thousands of people have attended the Automation Guild over the last few years. And most of them attend every year to stay ahead of the curve.
But rest assured, your investment in Automation Guild is protected by my 180-day “Love it or Leave it” 100% money-back guarantee.
So if you're not satisfied for any reason at all...or don't get tangible results from Automation Guild 2024…
Simply let me know within 180 days (6 full months), and I'll return 100% of your investment.
No Questions Asked.
1) Automation Guild online conference is a single track event.
2) All LIVE activity takes place in the EDT/EST time zone (usually 10AM - 6:00PM).
3) I ask the speakers to pre-record their sessions ahead of time to ensure the best video/audio quality while streaming at the LIVE event.
I try to add these training sessions to attendees account a week BEFORE the LIVE event to give folks a chance to watch ahead of time if they want.
4) I ask all speakers to keep there sessions to 25 minutes.
5) During the LIVE conference days, I stream the pre-recorded training session -- followed by a LIVE Q&A with the speaker.
6) All activities during LIVE conference days are recorded and uploaded to the site (attendees' account) within 24hrs.
7) We use private channels for questions and communications.
8) The history of LIVE chat is saved as a PDF and uploaded to the site (attendees' account) after the event as well.
9) If someone can't attend the LIVE Q&As they submit their questions to me ahead of time and I ask the speaker on their behalf.
10) This is like a hybrid conference/membership event. Attendees can log in to their account and rewatch all training sessions + Q&As forever.
All videos can also be downloaded locally.
11) All session videos will also have transcripts.
If your company has an education budget for employees...Or you just want to put forth a value proposition for AG 2024 in front of your manager, this might help:
>>> Google Doc (Email Template)
you need to do is make a copy of this document. And then simply edit the email template to suit your needs.
If you are registering access for more than one person - select the number of tickets accordingly on the next page.
For eg. If your group has 2 members choose a quantity of 2. If it has 5 choose a quantity of 5 and so forth.
The ticket/lifetime access price is per attendee.
For more details, please refer payment info above.
Lifetime access to all video training + Q&A sessions, transcripts & resources, and joining our Automation Guild community can only be unlocked for a one-time investment of $297 for the 5-day event and $197 for the 3-day event.
However, since you signed up for the early bird offer -- you can claim it until 2nd Dec, 2023 (12 pm UTC).
That said, I understand the amounts carry a different weight for testers from various countries and financial situations.
That’s why I suggest looking at this as an investment in yourself...and evaluate it from an ROI point of view.
Q #1: Would getting lifetime access to practical and real-world knowledge of the world's top automation experts - help you get a higher salary and open up more (and better) opportunities?
Q #2: Would 24/7 access to 2600+ skilled testers help you get quick solutions, avoid mistakes, save a ton of time, and enable you to reach your goals faster?
Q #3: Simply put - would it give you back way more than your investment in AG 2024 - just like it has for all the testers in our community?
Asking yourself the above 3 questions will help you make the best decision for your current situation.
Besides...
I don’t want you worrying about losing your investment…
That’s why I also offer an unconditional 180-day "Love it or Leave it" 100% money-back guarantee.
And honestly, I don’t know of any other online conference in the world that gives 100% of the investment back.